Before the ink was dry,MDC Secretary General Welshman Ncube was forced to deny that his faction had signed a power-sharing deal on Tuesday with President Robert Mugabe after seven MPs from the faction threatened to cross parties.
“No deal has been signed by anyone. Dialogue is still continuing.”,said Ncube as the state newspaper The Herald reported Wednesday that indeed a deal was signed.
Last night Emmerson Mnangagwa,the Joint Operations Command Chairman had said they will go ahead and sign a power sharing deal with leader of an MDC faction Arther Mutambara and will be appointed Prime Minister.
“Tsvangirai is not special,we will go ahead and rule with Mutambara”, he was overhead saying as the ZANU PF delegation left Rainbow Towers on Tuesday night.
The Tsvangirai led MDC has flatly declined ZANU PF ’s proposal that as Prime Minister Tsvangirai would control only the finance,local government and home affairs portfolios in the cabinet,while all executive power will vested on the president, including appointing the cabinet, powers to dismiss the Prime Minister,dismissing a cabinet member and chairing the cabinet.
MPs Threaten to quit
Seven MPs threatened to leave the faction if its leadership goes ahead and signs the deal, as rumours spread yesterday evening an MDC MP in the faction,Edward Tshotsho Mkhosi,MDC-Mangwe told Metro that if any such deal is made he will quit the faction.
“No I will not watch history being repeated,we have seen ZANU PF’s strategy of divide and rule in the past and this time it will not work,not this time.”,he said.
Another MP told the Telegraph,”If this has happened I don’t agree,” said Abednico Bhebe,MDC-Nkayi South. “This will be disastrous. None of us will go with him. He would be committing political suicide.”
Sen.David Coltart,MDC-Khumalo, said: “If that happened I don’t agree and I doubt the majority of our executive would support that decision.”
Another MP who requested that his identity be withheld said,”How do you explain that kind of deal to your constituency,beside there is no way we can turn things around without our erstwhile colligues”,he said.
Metro also spoke to three other MPs who also said they will not be part of such a deal and would not feel comfortable betraying their voters.
The only MP who sounded receptive of the deal was Moses Mzila Ndlovu,MDC-Bulilima who was one of the negotiators in the power sharing talks in South Africa.
Mutambara and Ncube lost parliament bids in Zengeza West and Makokoba respectively to candidates from the faction led by Morgan Tsvangirai.
It has since emerged that during the talks the Mutambara MDC faction pushed for an amendment of No. 19 so as increase appointed senators from five to 21.
“Morgan Tsvangirai is the main opposition leader, and any agreement that doesn’t include his party will not work for the country. It actually just complicates issues,” said John Makumbe a University of Zimbabwe Professor.
Meanwhile Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith says any power-sharing arrangement in Zimbabwe that does not include Morgan Tsvangirai would be a farce.
“We know that Mr Mutambara has a small breakaway group of the MDC, they have been involved in the talks as well, but any outcome which emerged which did not involve Mr Tsvangirai would effectively be a farce.”,he said.
(Report by Philip Mangena,bulawayo/@/metrozimbabwe.com)
Go get them guys thats the way, this time we dont want Mugabe to get away with murder. He is trying to devide and rule. Pamberi with the 8 mps for mdc m we have suffered enough.
They will not quit . If they do ,they will just be replaced ,as part of the deal states that any MP that quits,switches floor will be replaced without by election ,until perhaps 2009.
However, it might threaten to weaken the smaller faction. But this still remains to be seen ,as it might not happen.
zanu pf
rwendo rwuno bag rose rematricks richapera kuti dhuu. Zvino zvarasvika pagaro muchaawanepi mamwezve.
watch the space. Ndakati mosapota muchipika kuti naamai vangu MDC haifi yakatonga Zimbabwe. Nhasiwo nhasi.
Politics is a funny game.
Continue watching the space.
musava wanaCHANDAGWINYIRA SLOGAN YEBENZI……
Wish to tell Mr Mnangagwa that if you are voted for by the majority in a country, you become ’special’. The talks are not there to have just any signatures on a piece of paper but to ease life for the Zimbabweans and the first step towards that is to recognise their choice of leadership. They are prepared to work with that leadership for the development of the country and fight hunger, poverty. Unless you grant them that you will always be in shock at your perennial failures because we just will not apply ourselve fully to your policies. We have seen how selfish youare and cannot trust any programme emerging out of ZANU PF because to us it will always be a scam like the National Housing Scheme that built the Gracelands, like the land reform programme which saw the landless being used to evict the whites and then them being evicted for the ‘chefs’.
To Mr Morgan Tsvangirai I say, as long as you know we voted for you, please step back and let the usurpers try their hand. Ever wondered why after claiming victory they want negotiations? Leave ZANU to dance to its own music. We have suffered long and this last stretch aint gonna be for too long. They have no morals, they do not respect human life, they are selfish, and most of all, they do not have the backing of the people.
Good Bye BOB, whenever and whichever way you leave office shall be one of the best days of my life.
This is living proof that ” Academic acquisitions will never guarantee wisdom” . Professors Arthur Mutambara, after disappearing for many years, you can never be a player. When Zimbabwe was crumbling you were self sanctifying in USA, now that the builders have laid a new foundation you come in & say you have a plan. It’s a pity that you have no gift from God to see far & beyond, that is why you want to jump on the Titanic before it sinks, youre pathetic. Such a young man like you wanting to be led by men who have failed to produce in 28years if you can count 28. Truly you studied robotics, that is your nature , do you know what it means, a manipulator, you expect others to do things for you whilst you are sitted but this time you lose Scumbag. Pa**** pasingapisikwe.
I am extremely angry with you Mutambara, what ever will come out of this issue now and beyond, you have sold out. Kudzidza hakupedzi hudofo.
Bull crap
Suddenly Metro Zim managed to interview 7 MPs in half a day and got all the info ?
Lies.
Marara
Sindiso why is it that Ndebeles rush to defend Ncube even if they are selling out?
Every struggle needs its Judas Iscariot.
Ko nhaiwe Sindiso unengewo dofo saMtambara. NdoJounalism yacho finding infomation in time
Wena Sindiso what difficult calling 7 people if you have their numbers?They even mentioned that the other two MPs spoke to the Telegraph,don’t try to distract us from Ncube treachery!
Either way Mutambara I believe has always been a ZANU rate. They are not patriotic at all but are concerned with self enrichment. As far as I am concerned Mutambara, Ncube and crew are part of the enemy and they should be treated as such. We want a joint opposition against this menace called Zanu. They can differ on policies later after we have rid ourselves of this monster. Mutambara you can go to hell. History will remember you as a coward and gold d****, I am ashamed to be your country man. Better u die because for all you knowledge you have no value to Zimababwe.
Let them rule, why worry ourselves about failures – I bet you, Mugabe will never be at peace in a deal without Tsvangirai. Fools can say whatever they want to say but Mugabe and Mbeki do not support thier comments because the onus of proving that any deal without Tsvangirai will yield any fruits lies on them – and they know this is impossible.
Let’s not be worried about Mutambara “the hyena”, in anything that is done in life there is bound to be chancers – Mutambara is a typical one. Welsh you must be ashamed of Mutambara’s stance and vision, I think his vision is contradicting our good party’s, why should we have him. I think a vote of no confidence should be passed on him since he seems to have defected to ZANU PF. For us to return our support form the people, Mutambara must GO today.
In all fairness is it reasonable that you go into an election, you win someone says no we cannot hand over power to you. Then they turn around and say lets negotiate and want to take all executive powers. This is preposterous. Morgan Tsvangirai should never accept such nonsense. If the negotiations fall, let it be so. As MDC we have nothing to gain accept to legitimise Mugabe after stealing from us. No we cannot be our own enemies. Why does Mugabe want to negotiate if he feels he won a landslide victory in June? MDC should just leave these talks, they are not serving any purpose. Mbeki is not a neutral negotiator, that is why Mugabe showers him with praises every time, because he is advancing Zanu Pf cause at the expense of justice. We cannot legitimise Mugabe so that he can continue to loot the country’s resources and abuse people. No. No. He is not more Zimbabwean that all other people. If Mutambara enters into an agreement with Mugabe, that will be his doom. In any case no one took him seriously, he is a confused sell-out.
Why does this make me love Tsvangirai even more?
Fried Chicken do not be tribal in passing your comments, I am a Ndebele and togather with you in the struggle against Mugabe, this is not a Ndebele or Shona war but a national struggle, Sindiso you are also a national disgrace, if you got no comment why don’t you play computer games on you computer. Computers were manufactured for multipurpose, so use it where you can and leave politics to them that can think politically.
Noxman I get your point ,but my point is valid.Anyway that Mutambara faction can deny all they can,but the truth is they have betrayed the struggle.
Can Fried chicken , Sindiso and Noxman take your argument to another forum. Its pathetic. Issue is zimbabwe. Not who has a valid point on tribalism if it is valid or not. Its a stupid argument. two words. Grow up. Mutambara and Ncube seem to be colluding together to get to their own objectives. The rest of the party does not seem to be singing the same song with them. The problem is Ncube and Mutambara, they have been identified to be prostitutues who will go to the highest bidder. Their party should eject them from the party. If it is truly democratic the party should not find it difficult to eject them. Can the national executive of their faction show us that they mean business please.
Ko Mutambara hinindava kudaro.Unoziva iwe kuti mukadzi (ZANU) waurikuda kurara naye ane AIDS asi unoda chete ****.Hautye kufa here.Inga ndimi maprofesa wani.Siyana nekubatana neZANU PF.Vanhu varikuda kuviga huori hwavo.Viva Mogidza,gore rino kunozvarwa mwana ane ndebvu.Kuchati nzara ,kozoti kushaikwa kwemari (Forex).Masoja nemapurisa achapandukira vakuru vavo vakanyudza makumbo musuga. Hokoyo touya isu masoja,Muchamhanya ana Chihuri,Zimondi,Bonyongwe,Chiwenga naShiri.KuHague kutumasingle beds nana Charles Taylor.TSUNAMI YAUYA.Itopai Mogidza masimba nokuti mukaramba muripo mutoro wacho uchakuremerai.
Zanu rigged, killed, cheated and destroyed the economy now they want the killers to be pardoned, they want the killers to be promoted, they want the killers to have land at the expense of ordinary Zimbo, they want the killers to have power over everything….. please give us a break. This is no deal – forget about the talks.
Justice must be done. Period. Those who cheated must give back what they took, those who killed must face justice, those who destroyed the economy must be relieved of their duties….. takuwara nenzara hama woye!
Tinozviziva kuti Ncube na Mutambarawake vatengesi. Ncube has been on the Zanu CIO pay roll for some time now. I should think Mutambara has joined the bandwagon also. Stvangirayi is representing the majority of Zimbabweans. If he submits to anything other than executive power, he will have sold out the people who voted for him for a few gvt zimdollar salary. Most probably he will be involved in a black dog road traffic accident engineered by the CIO within a few years.
Kurota uku. Muchasaina zvenyu vatengesi. Mamboti madiniko.
morgan accepted funding from racists in south africa
morgan is trying to scupper the talks
morgan is not negotiating in the interests of zimbabweans but the west
morgan will never ever rule zimbabwe ahead of mugabe
morgan has brought zimbabweans untold suffering with his love and support of sanctions
morgan imbwa
morgan is shifting positions last minute to distabilise zimbawe
first it was june elections-we wont take part -last minute we will-then last minute we will withdraw
then he always seems to come up with ridiculous demands as if he is jesus-he allowed his team to negotiate for certain issues that he regarded as important-now that those issues have been accepted and a deal is imminent what does he do? he refuses to sign and again adds new demands and bypasses the issues he instructed biti to fight for. his masters have told him that he must only negotiate if he will be president—–dream on—and so again he has shifted the goal posts last minute.the reason the sanctions were imposed irrespective of the fact that the united nations vetoed them was in order to force zanu into negotiations-but if they think we true zimnbabweans will surrender our independence then they better think again—–poverty or not we will still be in charge of our destiny.morgan should wake up to that fact-his day dreaming should stop.
if the talks fail so what we are still in charge——we will just appoint a new gvt and get on with the duties of serving our people.those puppets better forget about Rhodesia ever coming back—–no no never. bennet -eddy cross-eric bloc dont dream about the past-zimbabwe is here to stay…and zanu pf is in charge. zanu pf is not just about mugabe like you seem to think -no-its a movement that spreads through out zimbabwe and it is us who will not accept morgan as leader.we will humiliate him. he will be banned from the heroes acre and independence celebrations because he is a puppet.we will not be led by a westen puppet like that one in georgia who has suffered at the hands of Russia-what happened to the promises of suppport mr Bush promised him? So morgan should take that as a lesson-in times of need those fools will just neglect you after using you to achieve their objectives-there is always a african puppet aoround the corner-foolish morgan. savimbi and mobutu were discarded in the end. dont trust those fools morgan . dont ever say we never told you so.
If mdc miss this opportunity for a peaceful settlement then we are ready for the alternatives-sanctions well we cant escape them but they will never bring us down.if mdc put the needs of zimbabweans first and negotiate in good faith then we will be fine-elections will soon be on their way and may be then you can compete for the presidency. as things stand -no one won the march elections with a clear majority and in the run off morgan pulled out-no one forced him. he claimed before the run off that no amount of violence will make mdc pull out of the election. he said with bood dripping from our fingers we will go on june 27 and vote the old man out. So what happened? spe****s just to attract media attention and sympathy-this guy has foolish advisors who have no experience of zimbabwean life and who operate on the outside.their interests are not compatible with ours and thats a bad start for morgan and his gang.
Now if morgan fails to sign this agreement -we know him and his gang of advisors want a civil war which we are not happy to be involved in but left with no option we will have to defend our independence. all eyes are on botswana and zambia as we are fully aware they could be training mdc dissidents. South african far right groups could be in on the act too. morgan can not be trusted because he is prepared to do anything to be president.in am fully satisfied we have systems in place to deal with all these dissidents of mdc. history will repeat itself but as always things like this only happen when peace loving zanu pf has been provoked. dont ever provoke us !!!!! negotiations -talks -elections we are always ready. ..bar the march election when the party structures went to sleep-never to be repeated.if morgan is not going to sign then just say so and we can all move on to the next chapter.as always he is probably waiting for the next regional summit to weigh up his support-we know how he works and thinks and even how much wanking he does-we are watching you…you take a wrong turn and you are dead. in the end that will be the only solution.for now let the talks go on.
Arthur must be fired immediately together with Chaibva. The earlier the better. Failure to do so MDC is finished coz he is persuing his own interests now. We gave you a mandate to go and represent us but you have now sold us out. We are saying go now nxa ufuna ukujoyina i ZANU hamba khonale as Arthur Mtambara not as MDC. Lets have a new principled president lets try a Ndebele now who said that we dont have capable leaders eSindebeleni because one of the things about thina ama Ndex is we think only Shonas can be presidents. Okungabantu lokhu akuyenzi kuyapanduka nangu U Mtambara sepandukile.
Iwe Mugabe, we gave you the mandate with an overwhelming majority on June 27. What’s this thing I am hearing about talks and talks and more talks?
I agree with Peter Maputi.Mugabe anoti iye he won resoundingly on June 27 achikwikwidana naiye pachake, saka dambudziko rekuzvishaisa hope 3 days dzese idzi nderenyi! Ngaasiyane nana Morgan.Ngaangotonga.In any case, achembera, changosara kufa chete, so whay the fuss about talks? MT, do not budge.You won the election that we voted for, you are rightful leader. Mugabe’s election was voted for by GHOSTS, not people, so he has no support of people.
SCARFACE:_P*** pamai vako ,urimwana we h***e wazvinzwa!!!!!!!!!!
anyone watched the bbc news lately-they are struggling for breaking news on the talks-one minute a deal has been signed -the next oh no it seems the talks are still going-all in a state of confusion -that can only be good news.now its mugabe and mutambara signing but oh no its not true again-exciting times i think.this will teach a few people a lesson-no one knows whats going on in the talks unless if morgan briefs his masters. the rest is mere speculation-so dont get angry when you hear all sorts-all it is is speculation-mbeki has not spoken yet and he is the master of quiet dipolomacy-so until he has briefed SADCC and not the west lets all sit and wait. SADCC is more important to us than the west. After that mugabe will brief zimbabweans and morgan can run to his masters to report the outcome of the talks. SADCC and Zimbabwe will come first-we dont want breaking news on the bbc-let zimbabweans hear the breaking news first…….thank you.
Tee thinks the seven MPs will not quit because the agreement does not allow for floor crosing until 2009. Unfortunately this agreement will not be binding unless the real MDC signs and is passed in Parliement as a statute.
The more Mugabe holds on, the more he is dragging the country with him The country is only 28 plus years but now looks like an 84 year old bankrup man from Zvimba. This Mugabe guy is only good with his venom tongue. Education is nothing, educated people are the most stupid, Malcolm Muggeridge once said.
Sunungurayi Jinda ra Madzara
Mbeki has got his role completely messed up. He thinks that all he needs to do is to get Mugabe and Tsvangirai in the same room and let them ram up some form of agreement. This is not going to happen because one of the parties is not an honest participant. Mugabe is not interested in the welfare of Zimbabwe, he is drunk with power and will pursue it for its own sake. So no matter how many hours they spend talking about an agreement, it will not work as long and Bob insists on being the president of the country without an willingness on his part to negotiate transfer of some of the power to Tsvangirai in the transitional period. Mbeki on the hand should focus on getting Mugabe to retire. Mugabe is 84 for goodness sake, what does he want to do for the people of Zimbabwe at this advanced age. If Mbeki can get Mugabe to go, he would have resolved the Zim problem once and for all.
The real solution to Zimbabwe’s problems is ensuring whoever wins an election steps down and allows whoever wins to be in power.The moment we have murderers like Mugabe who think they ”own us”, and can use us, kill us, and even musturbate into our mouths’ to satisfy their political ego, then we are doomed. Firstly, MT should leave this discussion forum, because Mugabe lost, and it is Mugabe who should be pleading with MT for mercy to be saved from death penalty.Mugabe will surely be hanged, he killed innocent lives – William Ndangana was killed and they thought they were hitting Tekere, 20 000 innocent souls were killed in Matebeleland, 130 people killed in 2008.This is the person whom MT should be negotiating with!! Guys, you cannot negotiate with a murderer, never, as he will talk with a knife in his pocket!! All his accomplices in muder like CHIWENGA, MUNANGAGWA, CHIHURI, ZIMONDI must watch out, time will tell!
Scarface.Mbeki has spoken.He said no agreement had been reached.It seems that you are the one who does not know what is going on.BBC first for breaking news.ZBC first for propaganda.
Sindiso panyo pasi ngapisikwe. Go to hell you idiot.
we are doomed, so whats next guys
all idiots rush to accept anything from a zanu official and start scratching each other
if a zanu official says morgan has died you will all start crying nekubvisa chema very fast
just looking at the way Mutambara attended the heroes celebrations even before a deal was in place shows just how much the man cant wait for his token minesterial portfolio and all the trappings that come with it. It seems to me Zanu PF s idea of a goverment of national unity is parcelling out a few ministries to the MDC and thats it. Its a joke and I think the mistake the MDC is now making is to keep hopes of a possible deal alive. It will just give Zanu Pf breathing space. Biti and MT should just say its over and let them rule. Period!
mutambara and moyo imhungu
So you all fell for zpf propaganda!!!!! Mtambara did not sign any deal at all .
Probably wanted to sample your reaction and lo &behold we are all this venomous and showing signs of intolerance.Lets wait and see! Morgan should continue being IMPOSSIBLE and only then can we get a good deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Siyai mutambara asvirwe kuhoro na robert. acha**** chete. mota yaakwira iyi haina mabreaks. varikunorovera chete. Morgan idhara redu. kutonga hakudi degree. wonai vanemadegrees varikufunga zvehu**** kudai. ingawani vakahwina……… regai vatonge tione!!!!
Change in Zimbabwe is as imminent as it was in Rhodesia in 1979.Smith formed Zimbabwe-Rhodesia with Muzorewa but it did not help. Mugabe wants to do the same with Mutambara and it will not work. The good news is that we are on the eve of another major change in zim politics. The only problem is that Mugabe can not take a cue from his predecessor ,Ian Douglas Smith. Smith used greater violence than Mugabe’s post-election militia .He killed thousands at Nyadzonya and Bob has killed a mere 125 people after the main election. The Zimbabweans I know can not be stopped by violence- Bob knows that. Baba Chatunga ,let me remind you that you lost your manhood to political violence but you did not quit. What makes you think that violence will make Tsvangison to quit? Remember he still has his manhood intact.
As for you Mutambara ,woe to you for betraying Zimbabweans at this defining moment. You remind me of Nyathi who betrayed us at Nyadzonya.If history is to repeat itself, then ,a new political dispensation under the leadership of the son-of –the-soil Morgan Tsvangirayi. Professor Mutambara, kudzidza hakupedzi hudofo. Munhu waprofessor kushaya vision unonyadzisa.
Any progressive thinking Zimbabwean will support your position. We can not afford to leave the destiny of our country in the hands of opportunists who want to manipulate the will of the people to their advantage. Undoubtedly Mutambara is doing everything to get himself a good position in a new government. But now that we know your true colours, you will only survive in that position for the duration of the transitional government or GNU. After that you will be history.
However, I am concerned about a clause in the deal being negotiated which provides that there will be no by-elections in cases of death of an MP or crossing of floors. I believe this clause was drafted in order to get rid of ZANU PF’s strategy of eliminating opposition MPs hoping to regain lost seats through by-elections. In as much as you may defer from Mutambara’s position, I want to advise to be cautious and play your cards very well. It might be wise to remain in your party but voting wisely in parliament, than to cross floors only to be replaced by other MPs – puppets of Mutambara, who may end up voting with ZANU PF.
Please acquaint yourself more with the deal being negotiated, before you make any decision, which might turnout to be disastrous.
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