The Movement for Democratic Change said on Friday they would not join a proposed national unity government unless the constitutional framework is put in place and ministerial portfolios are equitably distributed.
The statement by the national council of Tsvangirai’s MDC formation did not lay emphasis on the key Home Affairs Ministry which has become
a major bone of contention in power-sharing talks between the MDC and the ZANU-PF party of President Robert Mugabe.
A statement issued by the MDC national council suggested that the main impediment to the formation of a unity government was that a constitutional amendment creating the offices of prime minister and deputy prime minister, the latter to be filled by rival MDC leader Arthur Mutambara, has yet to be passed by parliament and signed by Mr. Mugabe.
Another issue on the table distribution of the governorships of Zimbabwe’s 10 provinces, two of which include metropolitan Harare, the capital, and Bulawayo, the second city.
The MDC national council declared itself “desirous of achieving finality to the current dispute given the economic meltdown and the massive suffering of the people of Zimbabwe reflected in entrenched poverty, the collapse of public health, education, transport, water and (the) energy crisis, monetary policy dislocation and supersonic inflation.”
But it reaffirmed statements by Tsvangirai and Secretary General Tendai Biti rejecting SADC resolutions in recent days, in particular the resolution issued by the Nov. 9 summit saying the government should be formed immediately even in the absence of a constitutional foundation, and recommending that MDC and ZANU-PF ministers share control of Home Affairs.
The statement argued that the Nov. 9 communique was “unprocedurally arrived at” because Mr. Mugabe failed to recuse himself from SADC discussions. It reproached his ZANU-PF for its “lack of sincerity” and failure to embrace the “paradigm shift” in national politics.
Can the MDC clarify what they mean by saying they are not joining Mugabe’ government but they are going to approve Constitution Amendment 19.Some of us laymen are now confused.
They mean they will be in gvt but they want to pretend they are not interested so they please some laymen like you chaka.
MDC won the March elections. MDC must stay out of Mugabes schemes until they get what they won democratically.
Guys you in the MDC must put your ways and the things you say in the open please so laymen can understand you properly please the moment you start to say this and that you confuse the masses that are supporting you come out in the open and think properly and say the right thing please dont confuse us please ok
Nyaya yekusadzidza iyi…..Tsvangison is an uneducated fool, sellout, stooge and coward who ran away from the liberation war….Kuda kungwarira paduri sehuku, hondo chaiyo akatya becoz it was a matter of life and death…Now tsvangirai is being used by the West to torpedo the indigenisation and empowerment of his own people…He’s black and he’s being used to frustrate the empowerment of other blacks..that’s being used against your own interests..Tsvangi ibenzi ,zidofo chairo to the worst extent…A willing tool of a Western agenda, cursed is the day he was born kuBuhera
Tsangirai sucks
as was said above the MDC should come out in the clear whether they are going to be part of the said inclusive government or not.
the MDC has so many lawyers among its ranks and i should have thopught most of the issues they are raising now should have been raised before the signing of the power sharing deal, even the issue of the chanded agreement should have been noticed by these lawyers before letting tsvangirai sign the document. the party should learn to use people within its ranks to avoid flip flops which zanu pf immediately pounces on. We know the weaknesses of morgan but these can easily be cover if he is surrounded by people who have the interest of the party at heart.
Tsvangirai is a stupid idiot who is just canvassing at the wrong time while those people who voted for him are suffering of food shortages. How on earth can they say they dont want to join by setting terms while they interested in that government?? stupid idiots!!! To hell with Morgan Tsvangirai and Tendai Biti.
obviously va battalion hamusi kuda kufunga.those people who are suffering are suffering because of poor governance.as all of us know tsvangirai has never ruled zimbabwe and hence cannot be blamed for misrule-related issues.you can say tsvangirai is stupid or whatever ,but that will not bring comfort to the suffering.stop asking questions start giving answers to questions that we all know.why worry about tsvangirai after all you have already said he is stupid.give us solutions zanu yakonewa kutonga.question is zvoitwa sei.as you correctly say there are food shortages zvoitwa sei and nani.
aah vakomana hu is intertaining this bunch of hoodlums.their fisrt communique had so interpretaions with many news media giving no no mdc nw we have conditions even here it was spelt out they will not enter.faki ma mdc ne everything they stand and fall fo.taneta nezvimbwasungata zvakaita saana khupe,chamisa,bit,teaboy and baba.we have left u bhind gvt is bing formulated.al the mdc ken kisi mayi b****ki asi.clean.
Fungai uridofo iwewe, you have been brain washed by you dictator leader. We don’t care if Tswangirai was in the liberation war or not. mugabe was not the only person who particepated in the liberation struggle, and we cannot thank him forever. He has to give other people a chance whether vakayenda ku hondo or not. We have had it with this dictactor and murderer. Good move by MDC to set conditions before we enter into any deal.
Nyaya yekusadzidza iyi…..Tsvangison is an uneducated fool, sellout, stooge and coward who ran away from the liberation war….Kuda kungwarira paduri sehuku, hondo chaiyo akatya becoz it was a matter of life and death…Now tsvangirai is being used by the West to torpedo the indigenisation and empowerment of his own people…He’s black and he’s being used to frustrate the empowerment of other blacks..that’s being used against your own interests..Tsvangi ibenzi ,zidofo chairo to the worst extent…A willing tool of a Western agenda, cursed is the day he was born kuBuhera
Ko iwewe wakadzidza here? You cant even string a proper sentence in english. Shame on you arse licker. We shall deal thoroughly with your kind once this is over. We know who you are. Mh@t@ yemunhu.
Oh noooooooo mdc is confusing. How can mdc supporters explain this new situation? Morgan as always , at the most crucial time in the mdc history has scuppered off to France to campaign for sanctions yet again. Imi muchingo **** thinking he will bring you joy. Meanwhile the masters give him a fat cheque to campaign for them as their puppet. You the supporters get non of this money , but all you get is more chorlera -aids -malnutrition -amazing inflation while morgan gets fatter and fatter. The more you suffer , the more he gets fat because that is what his masters reward him for. Blacks will be made to pay for the white man who suffered in 2000 and morgan will make sure that you pay.Otherwise you he will not get his fat cheque.
Morgan knows there is more suffering to follow that is why he is now in France . Remember he couldnt travel to Swaziland before claiming that his travel dcuments were not in order but now he is flying across the globe on the same document. SADC must be careful with this chap because one day he will come back to haunt them.As for zimbabweans we have warned you enough times about this chap.Morgan will make you suffer with his campaign for more sanctions. You may laugh but look around you and you see people dying .
This one opportunity we have been given by sadc will soon come to pass and we will regret it for some time .There is no need for greed as this gnu is only a temporary measure to bring stability to the region and our country. It is only designed to create the right enviroment for free and fair elections of which the date is still to be agreed.So why cant the mdc run the police jointly with zanu pf during this gnu so that no one party has an advantage come elections? Zimbabwe will go to ruins if you allow morgan to continue his campaign for further sanctions.
The people are hurting and does he not see it ? His family is tucked away in south africa and austarlia -away from the misery. He signed the deal without asking questions first . Now they start demanding this and that. Why did he not demand these things before signing in the first place? I dont care how intelligent you may be but this is a sign of bad leadership and decision making.In have never seen in my lifetime negotiators agree to sign a document they did not understand.I have never seen negotiators demand things after signing a deal. It just does not make sense.This is why school is important because it teaches you to think.
Do you not agree with me that morgan should have demanded:
the release of all mdc prisoners
aguaranteed the police and finace
sorted the issue of governors
And all their other requests before signing the MOU?
What did they sign then and why did they sign it? This party just wants to kill time hoping mugabe will drop dead one day or the economy will falter. Then they can walk to statehouse. Im ny view this will never ever happen-you have to earn your right to statehouse in any country. Obama earned his through sheer hard work and planning as well as belief and determination. He did not look up to Gordon brown or odinga to help him. He had policies and promises and that was it. The people took his word and look now? what policies and promises do the mdc leadership bring? none except the obvious that sanctions they campaigned for will be removed. We need a plan on how the economy will be turned around with or without foreign donations because that is the reality. The UN can not even raise funds for Aid right now -we know why so foreign funds will dry up.
zimbabwe wake up and wise up. Mdc will not bring us the desired results . maybe its time to try other parties.Moragn was not there to announce the most crucial decision in the partys history. Khupe had to deal with that. Why is he always Awol at crucial moments..He ****ed off in june at the most crucial hour again…not leadership material…sorry guys this guy is a fake.
FOR those of us old enough to remember, the date 14 November always carries an ominous meaning. This was the day which eleven years ago was christened ‘Black Friday’.
It was so named because on that day two calamitous events happened: first the Zimbabwe dollar crashed from 14 to 1 against the US dollar down to 26 to 1 — a huge shock to the system.
Second, the whole country was plunged into darkness by a nationwide power failure. The blackout lasted eight hours. And so it was that it became known as Black Friday. That was part of the beginning of Zimbabwe’s slide into the abyss.
In an uncanny coincidence this year, the eleventh anniversary of Black Friday fell on the same day, a Friday. And this year the day carried a heavy weight of expectations. It was the day when the MDC National Council convened to decide on the important matter of whether or not to participate in the Mugabe-led Inclusive Government. So what happened?
They deliberated and came up with a weighty set of resolutions – Resolutions of the 7th MDC National Council of 2008 (hereafter the ‘Resolution’). And it is this Resolution that is the subject of this note. What exactly does it mean, beyond the media headlines?
A disappointing feature of much of the media coverage so far is the paucity of critical reporting of the resolution and its implications. I do not know why media organisations do not simply provide the primary documents for readers to make their interpretations, especially when such documents as the resolution itself are readily available. To their credit, New Zimbabwe.com has at least provided the primary document – see: http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/mbeki231.19017.html
MDC position on the Primary Issue
My own view of the Resolution, having carefully read it is that overall the MDC has chosen the path to join the Inclusive Government or at the very least left the path open to join it. They have, however, tried to package the submission very carefully. They are politicians, after all. They were never going to say, ‘OK, you have cornered us, so now we will join’. No, you do not do that in politics. If you are going to submit, after the acrimony and jousting that has taken place until now, you have to do it in a manner that does not diminish others’ estimation of your standing.
Note that the MDC had a clear choice of rejecting the option of joining the Inclusive Government but they did not take it expressly. The big story is not whether or not they accepted the SADC Communique – it was already public knowledge that they did not like it.
Rather the big story is the primary issue at stake, that is, the position of the MDC in relation to the proposed Inclusive Government. This position as stated in the resolution is that they will join, subject to certain conditions. But we must lift the veil over these ‘conditions’ to see what lies beneath.
The MDC has been careful to say that they reject the two Communiqués issued by the SADC Troika and the SADC Summit on October 28 and November 9 respectively. But to what extent have they actually ‘rejected’ them? And more importantly, what is the significance of that rejection? For this, consider what position the MDC takes as far as the key issue in question is concerned – the Inclusive Government. Do they reject it? No, they do not. The key is in paragraph 3 of the Resolution. It says:
“3. Given the lack of sincerity and lack of paradigm shift on the part of Zanu PF, the MDC shall participate in a new government once Constitutional Amendment No. 19 has been passed and effected into law”.
Right, so what does this mean?
A Condition of Little Substance
The MDC does not say it ‘may’ join once Amendment 19 is passed into law. It says that it ‘shall’ join – there is here the apparent use of mandatory language; a statement of commitment, one might add. The condition it places is that Amendment 19 must be passed into law. But wait a moment, is this really significant? Not quite, as you will discover when you consider that the passage of Amendment 19 was always a natural and necessary procedural requirement in the so-called Global Political Agreement (‘GPA’) in the first place. It is not a condition of substance; rather it follows naturally from the GPA.
One must appreciate that all the positions that have been created under the GPA were never going to be legally valid unless they were created under the law. That is what Amendment 19 was always going to do in the first place. So this condition has very little weight – it simply restates what was always going to happen procedurally, though it might sound grand to the general audience.
If President Mugabe wanted to appoint a government without Amendment 19 that would be contrary to the letter and spirit of the GPA, so presumably he was aware all along that he could not appoint a Prime Minister or Deputy Prime Minister without that amendment. He could of course make cabinet appointments under the current Constitution because it empowers him to do so, but as I have said, that would be to defy the GPA and the Communiqué which he is very pleased with.
Internalisation of the Battles
Nevertheless and notwithstanding the unnecessary posturing of using the passage of Amendment 19 as a condition to joining, it does have a different and independent significance in as far as the resolution of the Zimbabwean problem is concerned.
By placing emphasis on Amendment 19, the MDC has shifted the battle from the international scene to the local platform. Contrary to common perception, the MDC has achieved very important results on the international scene, notwithstanding the disappointment of last week.
Make no mistake about it, Mugabe has given far more that he ever thought he would do this time last year. His colleagues around the world now see him in lesser light that they did a year ago. He is a diminished leader holding on to the last straws.
But now the MDC has done the right thing to re-focus the battle in Parliament, where it holds a slim majority. By focussing on Amendment 19, they have now decided to assert their parliamentary power, something that this hand urged a few months ago.
To understand the MDC strategy at this point, you have to appreciate that a constitutional amendment requires at least two-thirds parliamentary majority for proper passage through parliament. This means that ZANU PF cannot pass Amendment 19 on its terms without the support of the MDC.
The MDC figures that it may, therefore, be able to extract concessions from ZANU PF during the likely bitter debate on Amendment 19. In parliament, ZANU PF is a wounded and weaker beast and the MDC now realises that this may be a battleground in which it might have better chances. The question is whether and to what extent they can use this power.
But more importantly, by re-focussing on Parliament, the MDC has gone back to its roots. It has in effect re-internalised the matter, providing a platform for internal mobilisation of the ordinary people; something that has been missing whilst the MDC focussed on international efforts.
The net effect of the new strategy is that if Amendment 19 is not passed, there will be no Inclusive Government. So the MDC now has reverted to the power they could have used from day one of the GPA – to only have the Inclusive Government by asserting their parliamentary power until their conditions have been satisfied. That indeed is where the battle has shifted.
The rejection of the SADC communiqués is not the great story of 14 November 2008. It is that the MDC has now shifted the battle to parliament and will, indeed, join the government if Amendment 19 is passed. We now wait to see if Amendment 19 is passed -another chapter in the battles for power has only just commenced.
Only time will tell if there is any meaning to the uncanny coincidence of the MDC Resolution falling on the anniversary of Black Friday. Perhaps, it’s the beginning of a new era?
This person **** mdc must mind his own business, where our President goes Morgan Tswangirai is non of your business. We don’t make it our business to monitor where your dictactor goes, we don’t care at all. We support 100% what Morgan is doing and given a chance for a free election we will win convincingly again. Morgan will never campaign for sanctions that you must know, mugabe needs to change his dictactorship ways and abuse of human rights those sanctions will disappear. PF Zapu members should leave zanu and this is good news, zanu is weakeniing and disintergrating. Zanu yawora no sane person can still want to stay in that party, we will make sure its crashed it belongs in the history books shamely as a party of human rights abusers, thugs, criminals and murderers.
Babson, , tsvangi is now cornered like a rat, as far as Africa is concerned…The pathetic stooge foolishly blasted the SADC resolution that called for the immediate formation of GNU..Tsvangi obviously feels that his source of power, which are the Western countries is superior than SADC and AU, that is why this spineless sellout always trashes every African resolution that is at odds with MDC-T, United States, Britain….After being humiliated is Sandton, RSA last week , Tsvangirai is now embarrased to go back home…He has resorted to playing to his Western sponsors’ gallery, calling for illegal economic sanctions on his own supporters .If that sick stooge continues his intransigence and flagrant disregard of African organisations, he risks rendering himself to the junkyard of Africa, isolated and ****ed up…No wonder Mutambara once called Tsvangi ” a weak and indecisive intellectual midget”..Inyaya yekusadzidza iyi…As a ,western puppet party, MDC-T constantly shifts positions on a daily basis,officials contradicting each other daily., this is becoz they take orders from their handlers in Britain and United States……What an awful, despicable organisation.!!!!!
fungai uri **** remunhu, dofo chairo, basa rekunanzviswa kusure kwa mugabe. you cannot reason enough to see the light. benzi chibvapo gudo remunhu
The international community is seeking to expand its financial restrictions on Zimbabwe’s leadership to include a greater number of individuals and corporations and government entities over the Mugabe regime’s power-grab last weekend in complicit with the toothless SADC.
Key Western countries have announced they are adopting this measure in the wake of the decision by the impotent SADC which ruled that the MDC has to join government as a junior partner despite the fact that it won the only credible elections held in Zimbabwe in March.
A genuine power-sharing agreement would have lifted worldwide financial pressure on the regime of President Mugabe. But a terrified SADC took sides with the veteran dictator fearing to offend him.
Analysts said it was impossible for SADC to differ with its mediator Thabo Mbeki and the troika, who have both been openly shown bias towards the Mugabe regime.
Since the collapse of the latest round of talks in Johannesburg Sunday, the economy has gone haywire, with prices skyrocketing at an alarming rate over the past two days, with a 10 kg bag of mealie meal, Zimbabwe’s staple diet, shooting from ZD1.1 million to the current ZD4.8 million yesterday.
Nyaya yose iyi yakatangira patuma pepa twenyu tuno. U have been speculating many things about the whole power sharing deal iri. Media ndiyo yakatanga kunyeba hee MT achawana this ministry wht wht apa hapana kana chamaiziva zvenyu. U thot if u speculated on the deal Zanu wil juss budge to pressure. MT ari kutokanya wy go to France… hamenowo.
Fungai uridofo chairo and you are short sighted, stay with your zanu idiots and we are with a party for the future. We want the all powerful mugabe to be crasched with his party, we want equal power sharing or no deal. You can have your country vana fungai and we will continue to clean the behinds of old people and UK and serve tea and drinks in RSA resturants and send money home till these zanu idiots leave our beloved country alone. Taneta nezanu vakomana. Matibili when you look at yourself in the mirror are you proud of your being, one day you shall leave your children in this earth do you think of how people will interact with them. How many schools have turned them away when you are still alive what if when you are gone? Zimbabwe has a leadership crisis, opportunist like Mutambara are making noise and waiting to be on the side where the sun shines what an idiot of a professor.
Mdc is alright, Mugabe should not be allowed to control both the army and police as we all know what he is capable of doing. The man is a mad person. Have you forgotten the terror that he has been unleashing on innocent people for the past 28 years? People who have never experienced Mugabe’s brutality are the ones insulting Tsvangirai. The violence in Zimbabwean politics has one common denominator and that is Mugabe-ZANU. During the campaign for 1980 elections, the violence was aimed at ZAPU and Dzakutsaku (Muzorewa) supporters. Look at what happened in Masvingo, especiall Chivi area where the Zapu candidate Fancis Makombe was fed burning coal. The killing of Bus passengers on Masvingo road near Beatrice etc, the bombing of Mambo press inGweru in February 1980, the publishers of Moto Magazine after they published the story about Mugabe being a mad person. Over the years violence went on directed at his opponents, ZUM, FORUM, Magerate Dombo, Kempton Makamure,etc. All those who support Mugabe and Zanu are vampires who thirst on people’s blood. Mugabe must be stopped and not appeased. Appeasing a dictator will never achieve anything. Europeans once tried to appease Hitler, What happened? Do you think we enjoyed Gurahundi and Murambatsvina? Liyizin.ja lonke elisapota uMugabe ndini.
The tragedy in Africa is that we do not have leaders but rulers. These rulers do as they wish with reckless abandon. Mugabe is a fine example of such rulers. Thank God Mothlante is just a caretaker ruler. Judging by his SADC chairmanship recently, SA would have to cry uncontrollably if he were to rule for the next 5 years. Mugabe copied this rulership style from Arab Moi, Gaddafi, Mengistu, Samora, Kamuzu Banda, and Idi Amin. Mugabe is one last of such outlaws who perfected the art of repressing their fellow citizens by pretending to know more about the evils of the West than their fellow citizens. That is why there was no television service in Malawi until the very late 90s, In Mugabe’s Zimbabwe, a single state muzzled television channel broadcasts, sport, news, party propaganda, fashion, farming, current affairs, movies, eduaction, etc. The reason why this is so is to ‘keep the citizens shut out from what is going elsewhere and to force down propaganda down their throats by ginya. I am particularly dissapointed by the stance taken by South African leaders (Mbeki and Kgalema). What Zimbabweans are going thru at present is what South Africans were going through in the 80s and these leaders should have made better decisions than recommending sharing of a ministry. Zimbabwe (not Mugabe) never sided with dictators like Botha, neither did Zimbabwean approve any kind of half baked measures such as prescribing the ridiculous sharing of a ministry by two political parties. The very reason why people thought of sharing a ministry is evidence that the incumbent has failed. SADC citizens deserve better from these pathetic rulers. The sooner these rulers mutate into leaders, the better for the continent of Africa. Africa has vast resources that can swiftly change our lives for the better provided we have people-centred leaders and not blood-thirsty rulers who hide behind centuries old colonialism instead of creating a a favourable environment for human beings to blossom.
You guys dont have reporters, why are so behind with others. ls money running out because this Zimbabwe project is becoming really expensive to the sponsors
Wall I am supprissed that these guys whoever is advising them has some short commings this was the first thing they should have done before even signing the MOU.
Why the 2 MDC’S went on to sign a MOU and the subsequent doctored document before agreeing on what ministerial positions were going to be shared i wonder now that “Vazoyeuka bako kwakuda kunaya” Havasati vanaiwa zvavo but these are the things are our leanerd professors should know before commiting them selves to any document signings.
Now that they know we are quiet happy about the stance enact amendement number 19 before any
serius dialogue and also take of majority in parliarment to have the bill sail thru.
So they tried to do things by the book i am happy they resorted to professionalism and hope this will bring us food on the table.
MDC always a step behind. Heeee i will never sign a bad deal –heee this and that . he signed a deal without understanding what was inside. He wastes peoples time. he is ok with sponsorship from his masters. the ordinary mdc supporter has nothing…marombe chete. Its either kupisika chembere chena kana ku cleaner ma tea pot muma kitchen. Morgan thinks these are good jobs because he did them before. Everytime he goes to London you never hear him ecouraging people to take up education and a source of empowerment. He does not like education.A leader should be talking to his people raising their hopes and encouraging them to study so they can one day come back home to run things ..Oh no he is happy as long as they serve the white man like he did during the war. He does not believe blacks need education. Up to now i have not come across any of his policies on education…have you?
Nyika yaparara but to those of you who think we are finished then think again.If the IMF had not funded some of these western countries recently , they would have capitualated well before zimbabwe and fast.With or without sanctions we are suffering but still plodding along. We will come out on top.This political mess has also been a opportunity to a lot of our citizens. Some have achieved cariers never thought possible before. The increases in of the use of the internet and the use of new teachnology -music producers etc. those getting education abroad etc. you may think its all doom and gloom but in reality we as a country have moved a step further. we now need the politics to settle down and you will see all this new energy unlished .zimbabwe will rise again and fast.
In every crisis there is opportunity. there are some who are grabbing this opportunity with both hands…long live zimbabwe. those who are negative about our country’s prospects should be left behind.
Robert Mugabe’s Zanu PF party has embarked
on a begging bowl project aimed at raising funds for its annual
national people’s conference set for the first week of next month.
The party holds annual conferences every December and a
congress after every five years where it seeks to chart the way
forward given the avalanche of problems it is faced with as
well as those affecting national development.
Most of the problems it has faced in recent years relate to
discipline of its
members as the party battles to deal with Mugabe’s
succession. Those dragged before the disciplinary
committees would have been found guilty of disrespecting
certain sections of the party so as to attain leniency of the
rival section of the party.
Previously, the conferences have been funded using
“donations” from the party activists but of late the donations
have dried up as the economic situation continues to bite
hard into the coffers of the well-wishers.
Zanu PF secretary for finance, David Karimanzira yesterday
told journalists that the party was begging for funds that
would enable it to hold a “fruitful people’s conference.”
It is envisaged that more than 5 000 delegates will attend
the conference set for Bindura between December 10
and 14, 2008.
“We have done fundraising through our provinces. But
unfortunately, costs of products and services continues
to rise. We continue to appeal to members of the party
and well-wishers to kindly donate towards the cause
of the national people’s conference so that we hold
a fruitful conference,” said Karimanzira
He said at the moment, his party was not sure as to
how big the begging bowl would be given the fact
that there was a failure by the government, headed
by Zanu PF politicians, to arrest the continued rise
of costs of basic commodities and services.
“We still have not received quotations from service
providers. Even if we are to get them today, there
would be a serious change in the prices by the time
we go for the conference because of inflation which
will then push up the prices beyond our budgets,”
he added.
On most occasions, Zanu PF has had to use its
muscle on civil servants to donate towards some
of its major functions but the trend has failed to
materialize nowadays as most civil servants have
resisted these moves as the cash they pocket
in their earnings is inadequate to cater for their
families alone, let alone donating towards a
Zanu PF function.
Fungai chii newe. Ita semunhu akabva kuvanhu mhani. Vakadzidza vacho ndezvipi zvavari kutiitira nema degree avainawo. Muri madofo mese. U and them dont have people at heart. Urikungohwa zviri kuitika kuZim. uri kwauri. Handina chekutaura newe nekuti haufunge, unongorotomuka. Ndinoona wakambot**** mumba. We are going through hell uchiswerotaura zvisina basa. Imbwa yemunhu. Tiri kuvata nezhara asi mari yako unayo kubank ichishandiswa nezvimwe zvivanhu zvinofunga kuti ndozvinokodzera kuishandisa.
U say “He’s black and he’s being used to frustrate the empowerment of other blacks..” I quote yo statement…..and I am also saying “They are black and enriching themselves nesimba redu tichi suffer. Zimbabweans know what they want and have spoken on 29 March 2008. We want change and iri kuuya. Anyway, Mwari vakapindira kwasara nguva chete.
Reality news read this. I joined the liberation in 1974, when I left school at went to Botswana, where I was taken to Zambia. I did military training in Zambia, Angola, Algeria and Yugoslavia. I was a Zipra political commissar and operateted in Hurungwe from 1976 to 1979, when I stepped on a land mine and lost my leg. After independence I was at the Luveve Remand where the Zipra war crippled was assembled. I got demobalisations pay funded by the British Government, and decided to take some of the money and invested it into a co-operative, owned by Zipra combatants and we bought farms, companies, hotels and even started schools. All these were confisticated by Mugabe and there by denying us of a chance to be economically empowered. This is the same stupid guy who is now promoting black economic empowerment. The truth is that Mugabe is inconsistent, and his followers do want to accept that because they elevated him to a demi god. The truth is that the man is power hungry and is a Satanist, he cannot survive without killing, blood drives him, and he finds excuses to spill blood. Do you know how Zanu used to execute those which it deemed traitors, Mukudzei Mudzi and the like were killed like dogs, he used Gukurahundi, Murambatsvina, farm invasions, DRC WAR where he fought alongside INTERAMAHWE, which was responsible for Rwandan genocide. The man is uncouth. Tsvangirai did not bring this country to its knee, only Mugabe is to blame and he knows it.
Robert Mugabe has come under pressure from his own henchmen to hand partial control of Zimbabwe’s security apparatus to the opposition, to head off growing calls for a re-run of this year’s violent elections.
The president’s inner circle have told him to end the deadlock in current power-sharing talks by agreeing to the opposition Movement for Democratic Change party’s demand for control of the Home Affairs ministry, which runs the police.
Mr Mugabe’s advisers fear that if the talks continue in a logjam, support will grow internationally for new elections, which this time they calculate they will lose to the MDC by a landslide vote. Were that to happen, many would lose their jobs automatically and face possible prosecution over Mr Mugabe’s campaign of post-election political violence, in which more than 100 MDC supporters died.
The advisers are also worried that US President-elect Barack Obama will raise the pressure on Zimbabwe, given his own African ancestry and what is expected to be a close working relationship with Gordon Brown, another of Harare’s leading critics.
“We have no choice but to offer the (MDC) reasonable ministries so we won’t have to face new election,” said a memorandum provided by a senior intelligence official, who attended a recent meeting of Mr Mugabe’s security chiefs. “Obama’s win is no sweet music because Brown (Gordon) has openly said they share many values. It’s going to be easier for Britain to call for a new government in Zimbabwe using the in-coming administration in Washington as a front.”
APA-Harare (Zimbabwe) Zimbabwe is using shares of dual-listed insurance giant Old Mutual as security for electricity imports from South Africa’s power utility Eskom, London-based think-tank Africa Confidential revealed here on Monday.
Africa Confidential said in its latest newsletter that the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe (RBZ) had been buying Old Mutual shares on the Zimbabwe Stock Exchange and transferring them to the Johannesburg Stock Exchange.
In September, 670,000 Old Mutual shares were transferred from Zimbabwe to South Africa in this way and probably more in October, the think-tank said.
“These have been held largely by Eskom Pension Fund as security against payments for electricity supplied to Zimbabwe,” said Africa Confidential.
Old Mutual is listed on the ZSE, JSE and the London Stock Exchange and the shares are easily transferred between the various stock exchanges.
Zimbabwe is currently facing serious power shortages and relies on imports from South Africa, Mozambique and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
An eight-year economic crisis has however meant that the country has regularly defaulted on payments for the imports.
Over the past week, tsvangirai has been a total disgrace…The stooge is in Europe, wining and dining with people who have declared themselves enemies of our black economic empowerment programmes..Tsvangi is showering praise on europeans who have imposed economic sanctions on his own supporters whilst disregarding an african resolution..Kushata chiso nemoyo zvese..The sellout is using the same etd he refused to use to travel to Swaziland..Any sane African leader should never take him seriously..Sadc leaders are watching this closely…Again that aspect of lack of education in tsvangirai comes back ..He doesn’t realise that he’s doing more damage to himself as far as Africa is concerned….
The failed western stooges in mdc-t and their naive supporters like Babson are being swayed by ‘promises’ of western donations after “regime change”…They’re being given these promises by Western countries who have failed dismally to reconstruct countries they distroyed like Iraq, Afghanistan etc..These people need to wake up and drop this foolish mindset.& stop thinking like children who’re easily swayed by promises of sweets…
iwe bhija swabe where have you been all these years? I dont like fools like you who benefitted a long time ago and now because things are tough you are trying to change sides…aiwa shamwari if you want to join these puppets do so without demonising anyone. The fact that you went to war and fought for your country but lost your voice means you are either a coward or a fool. Why did you not come out a long time ago to say all these things? You are the kind of people we do not need in zimbabwe. We are in this position today because you failed to raise your voices at the time and maybe things would be different today.
Dont get me wrong i owe you my life for taking part in the struggle and having to lose your leg in the process. As a die hard zanu pf supporter i say thank you for putting the country first. had you cone out in the open and discussed these issues with your local mps and war vets , maybe early resistance like that would have stopped us from having this puppet mdc party. This is a joke of a [arty. I hope you are not joining mc because if you are trully the war hero you say you are you would never join a party of puppets and you will not be deserving of our respect. Any opposition must be formed by zimbabweans and run by zimbabweans for zimbabweans with zimbabwe at heart.Any other foreign influenced parties will not and will never rule peacefully in zimbabwe…you should know better.Mugabe like everyone else is not perfect and has made some regrettable mistakes.But even you have to agree that zimbabwe was like heaven up until the early 90s and deteriorated with the formation of mdc and invasion of farms.The farms had to go back to the people because even you lost your leg so you could have access to this land and be free to run businesses like you were doing.You went to war when there was plenty of food in the country -but you still went to war..why?
Things might be bad now but half of you know why this is so but do not want to admit it.I will not go into that-it is down to what you believe. I hope you make the right decisions for yourself and the country.We need people who question their leaders early and not fear. I see in the mdc people who worship morgan tsvangirai and that means he is not challenged on the decisions he makes.People should not be a part to this hostage democracy and when it has all gone wrong you ask questions when its too late.You should have put your foot down when the time was right. People are alowing morgan to get away with a lot because they are desparate for change. I dont know maybe you all think caknge can only come from the mdc and hence you all become hostages.
we will be ok one day , when these evil sanctions have gone.Dont let your leaders get away with nonsense. Mdc is running around asking questions now when they should have done it before signing the deal.They are actually either through stupididty or strategy actually slowing down GNU.Time will tell. As for you mr war hero this mdc party is not right for you They are a bunch of puppets. You are better off joining mavambo or zapu since they are reforming. As you all know, MDC will never rule -never ever.Dont forget that mr war hero.
I READ with much amusement the words of the MDC leader, Morgan Tsvangirai over the weekend, supported by AFP and the European Union.
Only a naïve reader would believe the shenanigans of Tsvangirai who can now do just about anything he wants with that party and still retain the support of that party. He can fool just about every MDC-T supporter into believing that he is concerned about their plight and is fighting for the “liberation of Zimbabweans”.
He only has to make a statement here and there to spur them on, but retain control of the grand scheme of things. No one in the MDC-T party knows exactly what is going on with Tsvangirai, McGee, Britain, the EU and the US. These are the players in the MDC-T party.
Tsvangirai might have, at one point cared about the people of Zimbabwe and the party, but that is long gone now. He now only cares about himself and his family tucked away in South Africa (where the mortgage on his house is fully paid apparently) and Australia where his daughters are studying on a scholarship.
The naïve MDC-T followers have given him the “messianic” status and nothing he does can ever be considered bad for the party anymore. He has shifted positions more times than a chameleon changes colours, and the party’s “faithful followers” also change in accordance with their “messiah”. Even a work colleague I once worked with, Prof. Mukonoweshuro, has been sucked up in the circus. See how they call him “President”.
AFP over the weekend reported: “Zimbabwe opposition leader Morgan Tsvangirai warned Sunday that President Robert Mugabe would cause the collapse of a power-sharing agreement if he imposes a unity government.”
Tsvangirai said this in Strasbourg, northern France, during what the AFP dubbed “a rare visit to Europe”. Rare indeed! Apparently he was consulting “African leaders” according to his party’s many spokespersons, who also seem to not know what this man is up to anymore.
For the first time, we heard Nelson Chamisa saying he does not speak about the MDC leader, but about the party and referred questions about his whereabouts to the now very elusive George Sibotshiwe – “kunakurirana nyoka mhenyu”.
Since when did Chamisa not speak for Tsvangirai? He has always defended the MDC-T leader at every opportunity. Referring questions to someone unreachable was almost indicative of the quandary the party finds itself in. In any case, when did the party become separated from the person (Morgan Tsvangirai)? The MDC is Morgan, and Morgan is the MDC!
Interesting that Tsvangirai says that President Mugabe would collapse the deal by announcing a Cabinet, but at the same time also says: “We are not walking away from the deal, we support the deal. We continue to defend the deal. But it must be a deal that reflects equitable power sharing.”
What does Tsvangirai mean when he says negotiations on the power-sharing government with Mugabe must not be allowed to run on indefinitely? “It can’t be forever,” Tsvangirai said. “We cannot go on and on and on.”
Tsvangirai should realise that the mixed messages and the ironies in his statements are only believed by naïve supporters from his party. He’s spoiling for a b**** fight. We know that. We’ve always known that.
Morgan, it is clear, is aiming for one thing, and one thing only — the Presidency. He can fool anyone else anywhere, but he certainly can’t fool me or those who do not care to read history backwards. I will not be sucked into the recycling of ignorance going on in opposition circles about Tsvangirai’s motives.
“If we miss the opportunity, then the tragedy for the country is even too desperate to contemplate,” he says, but misses the opportunity to meet his own party to chart the way forward and opts for an EU trip. Leadership indeed!
Tsvangirai uses words that make him remain “connected and relevant” to the people of Zimbabwe and naïve, blind supporters, but at the same time doing the opposite. This has been his game for a long time and will remain so until he “becomes President”.
Playing to the gallery has always been Tsvangirai’s game. What on earth is he doing in France, never mind the issue of the passport? There are ways round that.
Shouldn’t he be at the African Union since his party vowed that was the next “logical step”?
A statement by the EU Development Commissioner Louis Michel was interesting. The Zimbabwean people were not mentioned – only Tsvangirai was mentioned.
The Commissioner underscored that the opposition leader retained the European Union’s backing for his quest to become prime minister. Note: it was EU’s support for Tsvangirai, not the party, not the people of Zimbabwe, not the power-sharing deal.
Specifically Michel said:” I assured Mr Tsvangirai of our support. Under the current circumstances, he doesn’t seem able to assume his responsibilities (as premier), he wants the means provided by this responsibility, and we support him in this,” he said.
How about a statement on the deal instead, or on Zimbabwe as a country?
“The strongest pressure that the EU can apply” to help him “is to announce a very strong (aid) commitment if a government is soon formed,” Michel said.
An AFP reported also said: “The European Commission provided Zimbabwe with around 90 million euros (114 million dollars) in humanitarian aid in 2007, but all development aid to Mugabe’s regime has been frozen.”
I didn’t know the EU gave “development aid to Mugabe’s regime”.
That report also forgot to mention how much of that support has been slashed off by sanctions and negative publicity created by the EU.
The AFP report forgot to mention that the EU has stopped critical companies trading with Zimbabwe and mobilised aid agencies to move out and/or scale down operations.
The AFP report also forgot to mention that the current cash crisis in the country is partly as a result of pressure put on a German company to stop supplying money printing paper to Zimbabwe.
The hot and cold will soon end. Nothing lasts forever. We hope by the time the dust settles the MDC-T leader will have become the “President of Zimbabwe”.
Mugabe will not last forever. He has said this before. He is not immortal, but will Morgan become President even after Mugabe is gone?
mr baba at the end of the day we need electricity-we will not allow sanctions to destroy us.we will do whatever it takes to get by. We will show the imperialists and sanctions loving mdc that zimbabwe will never go to ground.What is the problem with using old mutual shares as gaurantee? Its called putting the nation first bitch.Our people still have their lives to live while you look for every possible menas to bring the country down. You campaigned for tesco to get out of the country and they did and still morgan is on yet another trip to France -yes on that famous travel document campigning for in his own words devastating sanctions. By the time he gets back -he will be smiling as more of you suffer and he tours the nation to see it for himself. Then he will fell that his strategy is working-the more of you you suffering and living in poverty the better for him.I see death around the corner.By the time morgan becomes president according to their calculations , there will only be a few people left in the country and that means he does not have to worry about creating more jobs etc because there wont be enough people left .There will actually be more jobs than people.That is his strategy to win the next election by creating full employment through mass murder.
reality propaganda. You are a fool. Day by day zanu is collapsing. Morgan does not run the country, your baboon of a clown of a president does.Zimbabwe is already at ground level you idiot.You must be blind **** head. It has nothing to do with you where Morgan goes. Why are you so worried you spastic.The reason there will only be a few people left in the country is because of your idiot baboon who has had his brain destroyed by syphilis in the earlier days of his life before his penis had to be removed. It is your syphilis riddled baboon of a so called president who is creating mass murder ass hole.
morgan is afraid to run the finance ministry- he has no clue because the zimbabwe economy needs experts to keep it afloat. Mdc are clueless. They are just waiting for foreign donations before the elections so that people will feel that change has come from the mdc…that will only be short term.Long term still clueless. Without foreign funding only zanu pf can keep the economy ticking. No other party can run a country under such servere sanctions.
If morgan was confident , having been given the finace ministry which was a major talking point before zanu pf gave it up, they should have accepted it and show or prove to the country that they are capable of achieving even under difficult conditions. We are not bothered about police this and that because at the end of the day ,they dont create jobs and wealth.Mdc should have seized that opportunity with both hands and went about fighting poverty and pursuading their masters to remove sanctions.Believe me people would have voted in their thousands just like obama in the next eletion.But as things stand, time is running out and by the time we get to the next election, things will be the same and they will probably be in gvt shared of course.As long as people are still suffering then, there is no guarantee they will win the election, hence the agenda of morgan’s masters to get rid of mugabe now rather than later.Morgan will waste more time because he thinks he is the only main opposition-soon ZAPU -mavambo etc will claim their piece of the cake too. People will slowly get fed up of the stalemate and that could spell disaster for mdc.Chimboitai tione….sit back and relax while people die…Lets see what happens in the end.
MORGAN IS CAUSING MASS MURDER IN ZIMBABWE BECAUSE HE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT. WHY DO YOU CALL FOR SANCTIONS AGAINST YOUR OWN PEOPLE? LET OUR GVT USE INSURANCE SHARES TO HELP THE PEOPLE. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WHEN SANCTIONS ARE KILLING OUR CHILDREN YET MORGAN IS SITTING TIGHT WAITING FOR HIS CHANCE TO RULE? HIS BACKERS DO NOT WANT HIM AS PRIMEMINISTER -THEY WANT HIM TOBE PRESIDENT.
MDC STOP CALLING FOR FURTHER SANCTIONS BECAUSE OUR PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING…MASS MURDERERS!!!!!
MDC STOP POISONING WATER SYSTEMS IN ZIMBABWE TO CAUSE MASS SUFFERING IN THE NAME OF REGIME CHANGE…..STOP KILLING OUR FAMILIES…MORGAN WILL DO ANYTHING TO BE PRESIDENT..THOSE RHODESIANS IN HIS PARTY CAUSED MASS MURDERS AT CHIMOIO AND NYADZONYA AND NOW THEY ARE DOING IT AGAIN…**** YOU MESE VANA EDDY CROSS -BENNET ..INJA ZABANTU.
MDC YOU CAMPAIGNED FOR TESCO TO PULL OUT OF ZIMBABWE IN THE NAME OF REGIME CHANGE—–YOU CAMPAIGNED FOR THE GERMAN COMPANY TO STOP SUPPLYING PAPER FOR PRINTING MONEY IN THE NAME OF REGIME CHANGE…TANETA NEMA AGENDA ENYU..YOU ARE ALL MENATLLY DELUDED BY COLONIALISTS. ..MDC
Now then, reality news November 17th, 2008 11:44 pm, surely you don’t want our nasty western colonialist companies in your country?
Thank God it looks as if Mugabe’s days are very definitely reaching a conclusion, and sanity will eventually prevail. One day racism will be an historical anomaly, seen for the perversion it is.
reality news, I do not have to join Zapu when it reforms, I have always been Zapu at heart. I remained mostly apolitical when Zapu was swallowed by Zanu because I can never support ZANU. They have always been a confused lot, that is why Kaunda expelled them from Zambia. Zanu might not exist now, but in the hearts of the people ZAPU is alive and kicking. Zapu-Puza, umlilo, bantwana benhlabathi. The unity accord gave ZANU a lifeline, you know ZANU was an ally of PAC in South Africa. The ANC is supporting the “united” Zanu-pf because of the Zapu element. Zanu is downplaying the role of ZAPU/Zipra and ANC in freeing Zimbabwe. How many people have ever heard of the Battle of Wankie, Where the joint Zipra/uMkhonto weSizwe took on Rhodesians in 1967 and defeated them in 3 battles until they ran out of ammunition. The uMkhonto we led by the one and only Chris Hani. We have about the battle of Chinhoyi of Zanla, even though it was a military failure and very badly organised, like sending lambs to slaughter. ZAnu even did not anti-air defence in their camps in Mozambique and this led to the slaughter of the innocents by Rhodesians. The leadership was busy squabbling and forgot to defend their people. Need I say more.
in have no time for cowards -you were in zanu pf benefiting and now you are changing sides because they are down.you behave like a whore. where ever the money is she follows the dosh.good luck mu mdc.
zanupf4eva
back from the planet of mars whats going on stupid mdc supporters .
Go back to mars stupid zanu merit bitch.