Posted by Tsvangirai calls on global Zimbabwe community to help rebuild their country
December 03, 2009
Cape Town, South Africa,
Zimbabwean Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai, at a press conference in Cape Town today (Thursday, December 3), said that he, together with number of senior representatives from parties that constitute the country’s Inclusive Government, is visiting South Africa to hold a series of meetings with leading figures from the Zimbabwean Diaspora to discuss ways to fast-track sustainable economic growth in that country.
Tsvangirai, leading a government delegation, is meeting with prominent figures in Zimbabwe’s Diaspora coming from 14 countries. The meeting entitled, “The challenges of Economic Reconstruction” began in Franschhoek earlier today.
The meeting is aimed at facilitating dialogue between the Inclusive Government and Zimbabweans in the Diaspora.
The meeting is hosted by the Institute of Justice and Reconciliation (IJR), a South African non-governmental organization that promotes transitional justice initiatives across the African continent.
Tsvangirai noted that he “recognizes and values Zimbabweans in the Diaspora and the critical role they can and should play in bolstering sustainable economic growth in Zimbabwe.” The Prime Minister stated that he “wanted to achieve a closer working relationship with all Zimbabweans in the Diaspora, many of whom are nfluential Zimbabweans working in leading international intergovernmental-, business-, and finance institutions.”
Dr. Fanie du Toit, executive director of the IJR said that these sessions were a means to facilitate dialogue amongst Zimbabweans and create conditions for sustainable economic growth, which is a deliverable of the Inclusive Government under the GPA.
“The IJR is regularly requested to facilitate these kinds of conversations across political and social fault-lines. As South Africans, we experienced the value of conversations such as these which paved the way for our democracy.
“We have facilitated this engagement at the request of Zimbabweans both within the country and those outside. The GPA, despite its difficulties, continues to provide us with a window of opportunity to get certain basic building blocks of a democratic transition in place. Economic success, for one, will be vital, not only for democracy, but also for social cohesion.” Du Toit added.
Issued on behalf of the Institute for Justice and Reconciliation by HWB Communications ( Pty) Ltd.
The problem that Mr Morgan will face with diasporans is that of trust.How many diasporans are prepared to pump something back home when they know that the politicians may start squabbling and their investments go down the drain? Who knows when MDC-T is going to be evicted by Zanu pf or is going to walk out like they did in October?
I think this man must hold on a bit and get the confidence of the people. The impression one gets now is that he is not very usefull in safeguarding people , especially since his own treasurer and Bodyguards are being tormented.That does not inspire confidence in him. People may like the man over baba Chatunga but when it comes to one’s income and sweat, its a bit more personal and very few people will be able to take that risk.
I will give an example of houses built in Bluffhill and Westgate for diasporans remitting monies back home. We are now reading that those homes were taken over by the army and then you expect someone to make the same mistake? no ways.
Trust,Mr Morgan, Trust is the keyword here. Not this wishfull thinking and fooling people. One moment you tell people to throw their monies into Zimbabwe because things are improving, the next you tell us you are withdrawing from the same gvt because its a dishonest gvt (meaning you will be leaving people’s investments in the hands of dishonest people)
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Abel, your wishful thinking will get you nowhere, you are on the zanu payroll to attack any innovative ways that MDC comes up with to revive the economy. What you are saying is your opinion that is zanufied, keep it to yourself, we encourage the Prime Minister to engage the diaspora on such issues and much to your disappointment we shall see the result soon. The diaspora do not wish to see their investments go into zanu hands which are corrupt and dirty and this is a sore point for all you zanuoids. All Zimbabweans should contribute in re-building the economy of the country. Biti is doing a very good job so far and his budget is addressing some of the issues that are affecting people on the ground and we give it thumbs up.
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Guseni, attack the ball not the player.What do you say to the points I raised? Ndosaka muchiita gumi remakore muchingokakaritsana neparty yakafa kare muchikurirwa.Cant think.
I simply put it to you as you say you want to put your money into Biti’s hands not Zanu pf, so what happens when MDC-T is frustrated by Zanu again and they withdraw, you think they will withdraw with your money also?If thats what you think, then you need your head examined or else urikuda kufurira vamwe yet you are keeping yours there.
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abel we are setting a platform that will create free and fair elections, SADC will never allow zanu free play to do their nonsense. If it never works elections will sort out the issues and we are quite confident of victory for MDC. Money shall never roll in zanu’s hands, they will have to deal with Biti first. You say we can’t think but our Finance Minister just got an award for being the best Finance Minister in the continent. That should mean something to you. Zanu has brain washed you and your line of thought is just zanufied shame on you(oh by the way its the payroll).
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The issues we are facing are real.The problem with my fellow Zimbos;is, pretence or wishful thinking.We still have the mentallity of asking the loyalty of someone who checks facts,reality and accountability,then associate them with an opposing party.
This is the reason we end up disappointed and dejected.We do not want to face up to the truth.For how long have we been talking about winning elections and how many elections has the MDC won?What was the end-result?Did winning the election give the MDC power or authority to rule?Let us be realistic not fantacizing.
We do not have to go far(2013),to find out who will still be in power.Let us look at the present scenario,who has the say?
It pains to realize that a lot of pple were displaced,brutalised,maimed and killed,but who of all those murderous has faced justice?Opposition members are being dragged before the courts and some have actually been jailed for trumped-up or trivial issues.
Mr. PM,i would want to say to u,pliz sort out these problems first b4 we talk about repatriation;the RULE OF LAW,FREEDOM OF SPEACH,PROPERTY RIGHTS,ACCOUNTABILITY,THE JUSTICE SYSTEM,A PROFESSIONAL POLICE FORCE,DISBANDMENT OF THE NOTORIUS CIO AND GREEN BOMBERS,BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS etc.
These are some of the issues,i might need the whole page.
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It is not safe to invest in Zimbabwe in the short to medium term because Mugabe is in charge. Mugabe likes spending, when the national coffers were dry Mugabe instructed Gono to steal foreign currency from private accounts. Gusgungo cannot just change the diet all of a sudden. This is the risk, noone never knows what Mugabe is up to. SADC hear no evil, speaks no evil and sees no evil. If Mugabe is taking away farming equipment what prevents him from taking road construction or mining equipment? There is no separation between business and politics as long as Mugabe is in office.
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Guseni, your assumption is that MDC has never won the elections. What if I tell you that they have but still failed to rule?
MDC-T is a popular but powerless party playing games with people’s minds.Playing big in a small town.I will end with a quote from the old man which he said in reference to Mutambara after he had jumped out a window when the CIO had come for him:
” these students boast of being tigers yet when the heat was turned on, they jump out through windows like kittens.”
Thats the MDC-T for you.
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Abel, Guseni,
There is a difference between a supporter and a commentator. It reminds me of a game I attended in 2001, it was between Highlanders and Dynamos. I supported Highlanders and I was proudly clad in Black and White. I tried to be a COMMENTATOR by spelling out that Thabani Masawi was not playing well. I escaped some thorough beating by a whisker because all around me were SUPPORTERS who will see nothing wrong with their team.
My humble submission is that Guseni is a SUPPORTER and therefore cannot see some of the loop-holes in the MDC especially in regards to its position in the “inclusive” government. Mugabe is still free to ‘slash prices to the June’ level and this is self-evident. Tsvangirai will have to wait until such a time when he can honestly say ‘Mugabe is a reformed man’. Unfortunately Mugabe will never reform until there is no one challenging him for the throne. Confidence will have to grow in the people and it will require that a wholesale of changes take place in the country.
The power is still in the evil hands of ZANU PF. I pains us but we have to live with it. Abel is labelled a ZANOID because he speaks facts. It doesn’t help us to lie to ourselves that Tsvangirai has power in the government when we know he doesn’t. It reminds me of the 2002 elections. I was so confident the MDC was going to win that I failed to see the ‘small print’ A friend of me tried to shed light on me but I told him he was a ZANU PF supporter and was deluded. Time has passed and there cannot be a prize for guessing the real person who was deluded.
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Thanks Potipha. I can predict for you that by June next year,MDC-T will be saying Zuma betrayed them.
Zvimwe zvinhu hazvingoita my brother. There is noways Zuma can put Mugabe in a corner for the benefit of Tsvangirai.It just does not make sense. Remember this is a domestic not foreign issue for Zuma. A trade union next door, to whose advantage. I know Zuma is trying to push for a zanu pf change not a regime change.
you may wonder why I am saying this now. Its because the MDCstas are getting a lot of hope from entry of Zuma onto the scene so feel that they have the bird in the hand.
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Abel,
I think responsible supporting is what you do. You confessed in one of your enlightened posts that you are more inclined to ZANU PF than to the MDC. In my view, in light of the bi-polar nature of Zim politics, I will call you a ZANU PF supporter. On the other hand I think you have seen that I hate ZANU and I dislike the MDC so call me an MDC supporter. Then the affair here is one of a ZANU PF supporter and an MDC supporter who have found common ground.
Now let’s talk. I have questions for you:
(1) What have you to say about the 1980s killing of the Ndebele people by Mugabe?
(2) What have you to say about the June 2008 elections?
(3) You say the MDC lacks tactics, so tell me, is the exploitation of ZANU PF of the MDC’s lack of tactics doing Zimbabwe any good?
(4) How is the MDC suppossed to counter ZANU PF’s intransgence and violence?
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1) What have you to say about the 1980s killing of the Ndebele people by Mugabe?
Nothing justifies a man taking the life of another man,Period!
I am not too privy to the facts of what happened in the 80s and all I know is information I read in several books.From what I gather this brutallity was unleashed by a combination of SA intelligence tricks combined with Mugabe’s response which also served well for his one party state project.I hear the SA intelligence carried out terrorist attacks in Matebeleland especially on white commercial farmers and blamed it on Zapu (though they did have their own mischief). Mugabe responded by promising to fix the enemy of the state,ZAPU on behalf of the British descendants while also cowing them into oblivion. Thats why you see the British were very quiet about the slaughters in Matebeleland, because to them it was like a project to secure their intrests. I also hear that Nkomo wanted to repocess the farms in 1980 in the way that Mugabe later did in 2000 so he was obviously seen as an enemy. I wonder why they still went on to accomodate him in Britain after Mugabe threatened, in Marondera ,to crush the head of the snake (Nkomo)
So to answer your question, that period was regretable as too much force was used to subdue Nkomo.I must mention though that as someone who once lived in Bulawayo, the ndebele people were rather arrogant and had this superiority complex and I had this feeling that they really hated us, so maybe Bob was trying to put them in their right place as a minority.
(2) What have you to say about the June 2008 elections?
That period was a combination of brutallity on the one side and sheer incompetence on the other side. Though Mugabe may have used excessive power to hang on,I feel MDC-T relaxed too much and felt that nothing could ever help Mugabe win.I remember seeing this cartoon where Morgan was sitting in a hammock relaxing saying there is no need to campaign as there is no way Mugabe can win. (If we could post pictures here I would put the cartoon up)They made assumption that everyone who voted Makoni would vote MDC-T. Zanu pf went on to do what they do best, mobilise and if you dont agree cow you into agreeing. MDC-T should have learnt from history, how Zanu pf intimidated people back in 1980. By the time MDC-T realised that momentum was building for Zanu pf and started campaigning, it was too late, the zanu pf machine had rolled well beyond stopping. I remember Morgan telling us that no amount of intimidation would help zanu pf win (again I can post these statements for those who dispute) A week or so before the election, Morgan realised that he had wasted valuable time while zanu pf was campaigning and pulled out due to intimidation. Noone really knows what changed between the time he made his statement that zanu pf would never win and the time he withdrew. There was definitely no change in the amount of violence but as has become the trade mark of this summersault gold medalist, he said a completely different statement.
So to answer your question. Morgan just wasted a chance to rise to the throne by his naivety.People enjoy spreading the myth that Morgan won the election but the reality is that the countries laws required that a person gets 50% + one vote to be declared the winner. Whether Morgan or Robert would have won the second round is just mere speculation not based on facts.Ironically, its the MDC which requested for this 50% +one rule. always being stabbed by their own spear it seems.
(3) You say the MDC lacks tactics, so tell me, is the exploitation of ZANU PF of the MDC’s lack of tactics doing Zimbabwe any good?
Politics by its very nature is never about being good or bad but about exploiting your opponents and the people to further your own agendas.Its MDC-T which spreads the myths about politicians being good. I think the past ten months have shown you that mathematically MDC T = Zanu pf -state power
To answer your question, no its not right that zanu takes advantage but its not their job to remove themselves from power. It is not bringing any good to the country, but since when have they cared about that?
(4) How is the MDC suppossed to counter ZANU PF’s intransgence and violence?
MDC in its current configuration can do nothing to counter Zanu pf violence. MDC-T should have worked hard to bring on board the level headed zanu pf people. Why do you think the March election was not violent and the June one was vilent? In March there was a person from Zanu who was contesting and he has considerable respect from the Junta so violence was difficult to direct towards opponents as they would not tell which was which.Now Imagine if MDC had a number of these Zanu pf chaps in their ranks. As it is now, MDC just has wishfull thinking toddlers like Chamisa, what punch can these have. He should be the Malema of MDC not to ask him to compete with Shamuyarira or Mugabe who has decades of political experience. For MDC to counter Zanu pf violence they must get some of those people onto their side. unfortunately the ideologies are too different and this would probably be a temporary arrangement.
So untill these hardcore Zanu guys have met their maker MDC has a tough task.There is a myth that as soon as Mugabe goes then all will be hunky-dorry. People forget that there are people who hold Mugabe’s power in place. Will those people disappear like the morning dew as Mugabe goes out of the picture?
Now some questions for you:
1) What is the position of the MDC-T in terms of land? Please dont mention position like we will carry out an audit.you carry out an audit then do what.How will MDC-T tackle the issue of the displaced farmers who still have their title deeds in their suitcases should they miraculaously come into power?
2) zanu pf through their leader have come out clear on the issue of homosexuality, what is the position of the MDC-T?
3) what is the attitude of MDC-T is relation to those who fought the liberation struggle and how would they identify heroes for the Zimbabwean nation?
4) what are the plans of the MDC-T to reverse the negative publicity they brought on the nation and issue of santions (please dont tell me they said nothing of the sort, we all saw Morgan asking SA to cut electricity supplies and stop fuel coming into the country (I have that footage))
5)Does the MDC have a succession plan? is there no danger of a repetition of Zanu pf in the MDC?Who is likely to take over?
I eagerly await your responses sir
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Well Abel Zanupf have just appointed a homosexual as vice-president.Despite your President calling gays and lesbians worse than dogs and pigs.
In any case why do you want succession ,for struggle thats not finished. please put your brain into gear before you write this garbage. Imagine what a disaster that could have been to the South African liberation struggle had Mandela been replaced by Thabo Mbeki before the unfinished bussiness.got it?
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Mutonhodza, this homosexual you talk about, did he do you at the back for you to speak with such authority?
I am sure you were poor at comprehension at school. I said what is the MDC position on homosexuality and not what do you make of the zanu position.
I dont need succession fyi, I am not a member of your plastic party.I asked questions but obviosly you are too thick to answer them. Why not let the one I directed the questions to answer?You obviously have just woken up from some coma and I dont expect answers from you.
In the same sense you talk of not replacing Mandela before end of struggle or replacing Morgan before end of MDC struggle ,Zanu pf will tell you they are in the middle of a land struggle so cannot replace their leader. what then distinguishes Morgan from Robert besides the fact that one is a natural born loser?
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Give us the Right TO vOTE .
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And on whose authority are you basing your statement that Nkomo wanted to take the farms in 1980?
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Archival documents Mutonhodza.If you were intrested in knowing you would know. mali=lima mutonhodza.
Find out what was the pact between Nkomo and Mugabe just before Nkomo died in 1999 if you are intrested in venturing beyond your wishfull thinking shell.
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It seems once again that Mr. Abel has his stuff well researched, keep it up sir..!!
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Abel and those who follow your ideas blindly such as Rinashe Dyembeu must move with the times. Zanu die hards likeyou masqeurading as objective analysts are misleading people with false propaganda.In fact you display simplistic and superficial political analysis making them sound as if they are not rants.
In these days of infotech why dont you just give us the websites where you find this information;or you could give us the location of these so-called archives.its a fact that Zanu pf lost the support of the people.Nobody votes Zanu Pf anymore.Its leaders who believe purified diesel can come straight from a granite boulder have outlived their usefulness.
In your article above you clearly state that everything you write about is hearsay;which makes me suspect that you write Pub discussions as facts.If you interviewed Josh Nkomo and had a video pliz sent to you tube and we will not think of you as half -educated.
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Mutonhodza dont be lazy and act like you have never used Google or wikipedia. Dont make foolish excuses here. You think we will have discussions based on links?If you are really intrested you would dig around yourself but I suspect you have already done so and are too proud to say Abel you are right.
You say:In your article above you clearly state that everything you write about is hearsay;
Are you for real mate?Must I be everywhere where events are taking place?
Its like when you hear that Mugabe has rigged an election, you go ahead and believe that as fact yet when its against your favour you rush to cry foul. Ever heard of smoke without fire?
You also say:Nobody votes Zanu Pf anymore
So why are they still ruling Zimbabwe? We are also told the Army is against them. This must all be totally lies or the opposition which is supposed to take over power is totally incompetent. I would go with the later.
Finally, please dont base all your arguments on posts on you tube otherwise we will be forced to think you are half educated.
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Abel,
*You mentioned the Gukurahundi atrocities in a way that made me to suspect that you wanted to pour some cold water on the matter. I thought you were going to condemn the atrocities with the great condemnation that it deserved. Anyway this helped me to see which side you slunt to on the matter.
*”That period was a combination of brutallity on the one side and sheer incompetence on the other side”
Abel let me tell you the truth: I come from Buhera and I was in Buhera during the June 2008 ZANU madness. Those people were wild and they wanted to cause a civil war in the country. I was on the ground; I have first hand experience of what was happening. The MDC says more than 200 people were killed before the June 2008 ‘elections’. I can’t be sure about this number but I am pretty sure of two of those ’200 people’. Chinotimba and his accomplices killed Chokuse Mupango (Nyoka) of Chimombe village in Buhera and Sibamba of Chapanduka village. Maybe you were safe during this period but as for me it was a very difficult time. So you painted a wrong picture of the said elections.
*As you said Tsvangirai didn’t need even a single rally to win that poll. ZANU knew it and the only way to go was to stage a virtual Coup d’état in order to remain meaningful. If Tsvangirai were not a peaceful man Zimbabwe would have been in total war by now. What do you think Tsvangirai should have done; return fire for fire? With what effects?
*Your idea that ZANU was not as violent in March as it was in June 2008 because of the Makoni factor managed to shock me. I strongly believe that the reason why ZANU turned violent in June was to do with its realisation that there was no ANY OTHER way to retain power other than a Coup d’état.
*I am not goint to speak for the MDC on the Land Question but I hear they will not reverse the chaotic agrarian reforms already in place. I also hear the only touch-ups they will put is the land audit (which I have mentioned against your will, sorry!)
*Homosexuality is an issue that rips me apart with anger. I can’t imagine a sane person falling for someone of the same sex, it’s unnatural, barbaric, it’s filthy and utterly shameful. That Mugabe said no to homosexuality is commendable but that alone cannot give him the mandate to continue presiding over a people that has rejected him. The world is experiencing moral degradation of the highest order as we speak (I am currentl writing an article on homosexuality and i will make it available to you once it’s published). As such people are becoming more and more liberal to the detriment of ubuntu. I haven’t seen the MDC position on homosexuality but believe me there are homosexuals everywhere, in ZANU, in the MDC, everywhere. In 1997 Jefta Dube, a former bodyguard of Rev. Banana, pleaded in mitigation that he’d only committed the crime of murder after the victim repeatedly taunted Dube as “Banana’s wife”. He claimed that at State House one night the President had slipped a sleeping draught into his drink. Mr Dube came round to find himself on a duvet naked from the waist down, with a smiling President Banana hovering over him. “While you were sleeping,” said the President, “we helped ourselves” – not the words a chap wants to wake up to.This mitigation statement opened a hornet’s nest. Within weeks several cooks, gardeners, policemen, air force officers, scores of students at the University of Zimbabwe, and most of the President’s football team came forward with similar stories. It was impossible to keep count. To say Mugabe was unaware of all this is to under-estimate Mugabe’s power of clairvoyance. So while I belive that homosexuals ‘are worse than dogs and pigs’ I still believe that it’s a very tricky subject.
*On this note, Abel, tell me, where is the substance of the Mugabe’s homosexuals bashing when he kills and sanction the killing of people? I will have to slide you into the fallacy of false dichotomy here; choose, Who would you want (A) someone who says homosexuals are ‘worse than dogs and pigs’ AND kills people after that or (B) someone who says NOTHING about the homosexuality subject AND whips his supporters into the line of peace.
*On the subject of sanction I believe the US is a sovereign country and it makes its own independent decisions. Tsvangirai can be popular in Zim but I don’t think he will manage to influence the US policies in a measurable way. To say Tsvangirai influenced the international community to ‘klap’ Mugabe and his cohorts with sanctions is to assume that Tsvangirai is the world’s most powerful politician. Believe me, not even at Obama’s call will the US decision-making machine make a move.
-When Tsvangirai talked about South Africa turning off power to Zim he was conveniently hijacked by ZANU. If you remember well he used the word “If”. Like to say IF you steal I will cut my ties with you; can you go around and say ‘he wants to cut ties with me’ and omit the “If”? Tsvangirai was speaking in the context ZANU’s lack of paradigm shift. If you remember well when that clip was being shown on ZTV they just showed a small bit, the reason being that Tsvangirai was talking sense in the wholeness of his speech. The fact that ZANU managed to twist a good speech and to hoodwink a good number of people cannot be taken as implying that Tsvangirai was asking for power cuts from South Africa. You said you have the footage of Tsvangirai asking for power cuts, good, but do you have the full speech or the ZANU clip?
*On the succession plan for MDC I have nothing to say, I haven’t looked into that subject as yet. But I would be very grateful if you tell me ZANU’s succession plan, if they have it
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Potipha, I think you are mixing gukurahundi and June violence.Those are different issues all together. Be that as it may, what use was it for Morgan to go around Botswana while his people were being brutalised without a leadership? Is that not sheer incompetence?People felt let down and leaderless.
I dont know where you get the confidence that Morgan would win the election without even campaigning? That is an assumption which was not based on facts.The likely result was that Morgan would win but that is not an excuse to sleep on the job.You cannot tell me Zanu got all the votes they got as a result of the violence only.
On homosexuality, I think you must realise that we are dealing with politics here. A common peasant now knows what Mugabe thinks in terms of homosexuality, that he knew banana was a banana is unknown to them. What they also know is Morgan does not say anything about homosexuality and they are left to conclude that he accepts them. Now from a political point of view who do you think we score more Brownie points? And what does Morgan loose by saying where he stands? USD from the West?
On the issue of sanctions its obvious that Morgan is a nobody in that issue. They needed his say to justify what they had already decided to do, slap Zimbabwe with sanctions. Why he agreed to those issues ls beyond me. He now wants to turn around and re-negotiate what was agreed already.
REad this for an informed explanation of Sanctions: HERE..(Editor)
The SA interview you talk about, I did not see it on ZBC but rather on BBC. I had visited SA then and saw that interview,fully so you cant justify anything for him. He has never denied it himself and leaves it to his gullible followers to defend. I saw with my own eyes, Morgan being asked what he thought SA could do to help him and he saif for a starters they could close their borders to Petrol destined for imbabwe and cut off electricity. That actually showed a very funny understanding of simple politics. How would zimbabwe say tankers destined for other countries can pass through yet ours are not coming through? How myopic can one be. Please Potipha, look for that interview from BBC and not ZBC and see your messiah for yourself. I suppose you will also defend Mhashu who also apeared on BBC Hardtalk saying if MDC could come to power MDC would respect previous property rights meaning return the farms. At least that time Morgan said that was Mhashu’s opinion.
As for the Zanu pf succession plan, the plan is there but it is always being frustrated by the old guard.The Tsholotsho declaration was a way of dealing with the succession issue. Unfortunately people that are paraded as the kingmakers in Zimbabwe like Solomon Mujuru are constantly frustrating it. There is a lot of tribal tension in that party and one day you will understand why Robert does not want to leave the party. Its a big reality that when he goes the party may actually disintergrate. Jonathan Moyo and companies attempt in 2004 was the best way of tackling the issue. Read the following document and make sure you read all three parts so that you understand fully what is going on:
http://prof-jonathan-moyo.com/?itemid=18
DOnt get dissapointed by the aurthor, he is a very factual fella but he only changes allegiance too often thats his problem.
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Abel,
Get me right. I know you may not mean it but don’t impose Tsvangirai as my messiah. If you read me well you should have known by now that I don’t regard anyone as a messiah other than Jesus. I explained that those politician are just but monsters facing different directions but eating from the same trough. And what’s on the menu? The mass’ sweat and blood. How can I have such a messiah? If you regard any mortal man as your messiah then there is something wrong with you.
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Granted Potipha.
Hope you take time to read that document and tell me what was wrong with the Tsholotsho plan. It looked splendid to me but at times you wonder who advises the old man.He would not have had to go through the humiliation of loosing to a lackey and would have retired peacefully. Now we all have to watch as he massages his ego by showing Morgan that March 2008 was just a fluke.In the meantime its suffer continue baba.
If I was Robert, I would wait for the congress to endorse me and thereafter without warning, call for a secret ballot from the delegation to choose a capable successor, after which I would just call it a day and wait to finish the GNU term only, but thats just wishfull thinking on my part.
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